Comments on: The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of Niggy Tardust! http://www.hardrockchick.com/2007/10/25/the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust/ Living and breathing live music in San Francisco and beyond. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:00:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Saul Williams, Dragons of Zyanth @ Slim’s, 3/21/08 | Hard Rock Chick http://www.hardrockchick.com/2007/10/25/the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust/comment-page-1/#comment-2003 Saul Williams, Dragons of Zyanth @ Slim’s, 3/21/08 | Hard Rock Chick Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:43:08 +0000 http://www.hardrockchick.com/2007/10/25/the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust/#comment-2003 [...] Before the set started, I heard some girl say “I hope he does some of his spoken word stuff, and not all of this Trent Reznor shit”. Hmmm. While you can definitely hear the NIN influence on Tardust, it’s not that far of a stretch from his previous work. I would think that someone who knows and supports Saul Williams would see that he’s not the type of artist to lose his roots when working with a producer, so I put the people expressing those sentiments in the same category as those who were pissed off about ’stealing his album name from Bowie’ (read the comments). [...] [...] Before the set started, I heard some girl say “I hope he does some of his spoken word stuff, and not all of this Trent Reznor shit”. Hmmm. While you can definitely hear the NIN influence on Tardust, it’s not that far of a stretch from his previous work. I would think that someone who knows and supports Saul Williams would see that he’s not the type of artist to lose his roots when working with a producer, so I put the people expressing those sentiments in the same category as those who were pissed off about ’stealing his album name from Bowie’ (read the comments). [...]

]]> By: Mo http://www.hardrockchick.com/2007/10/25/the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust/comment-page-1/#comment-345 Mo Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:32:22 +0000 http://www.hardrockchick.com/2007/10/25/the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust/#comment-345 honestly - EVERYTHING is a rip off of the music that came before it, because EVERY ARTIST is influenced by someone. even your FAVORITE artist was inspired and/or influenced by someone else (genius or not). so to call the TITLE of this shit a rip off - is totally reaching. i'd also say - listen to Saul's shit before judging it. NOW - i don't know if i agree with the comment that Saul is attempting to do for black music what Bowie did for pop at that time. I mean...yeah, Saul is black - and yes, this is music...but HONESTLY...what fuckin' color is MUSIC!? Is Saul a hip-hop purist? YES. Does Saul do black or white music. No! Music is music, period. To me - and I'm not bashing whoever said this above - but to classify music as black, white or whatever...to me - thas one of the biggest reasons people don't fuck with certain genres. Like...I'm a black man - and most black people I know won't fuck with rock music because they feel that's WHITE music. Had a woman say that to me two days ago at work when i was speaking about TV on the Radio's disc...and I thought that was the most absurd shit I'd ever heard. And like I told her...I'm making a hip-hop album right now...but I got a lil' rock influence in my shit...so she probably will skip those tracks. I think...DAMN I'm sorry this is so long...but I think - Americans are the only people in the world who classify music as being a color. And that's some funny shit to me. Nevertheless...I have Saul's first two joints - and I'd say 99.99% of the rappers out there could NOT fuck wit this dude lyrically. Because 98.99% of the rappers out there ain't INTELLIGENT enough to fuck with him. The other one percent - I'ma give 'em a pass. honestly - EVERYTHING is a rip off of the music that came before it, because EVERY ARTIST is influenced by someone. even your FAVORITE artist was inspired and/or influenced by someone else (genius or not). so to call the TITLE of this shit a rip off - is totally reaching. i’d also say - listen to Saul’s shit before judging it.

NOW - i don’t know if i agree with the comment that Saul is attempting to do for black music what Bowie did for pop at that time. I mean…yeah, Saul is black - and yes, this is music…but HONESTLY…what fuckin’ color is MUSIC!? Is Saul a hip-hop purist? YES. Does Saul do black or white music. No! Music is music, period. To me - and I’m not bashing whoever said this above - but to classify music as black, white or whatever…to me - thas one of the biggest reasons people don’t fuck with certain genres. Like…I’m a black man - and most black people I know won’t fuck with rock music because they feel that’s WHITE music. Had a woman say that to me two days ago at work when i was speaking about TV on the Radio’s disc…and I thought that was the most absurd shit I’d ever heard. And like I told her…I’m making a hip-hop album right now…but I got a lil’ rock influence in my shit…so she probably will skip those tracks. I think…DAMN I’m sorry this is so long…but I think - Americans are the only people in the world who classify music as being a color. And that’s some funny shit to me. Nevertheless…I have Saul’s first two joints - and I’d say 99.99% of the rappers out there could NOT fuck wit this dude lyrically. Because 98.99% of the rappers out there ain’t INTELLIGENT enough to fuck with him. The other one percent - I’ma give ‘em a pass.

]]> By: not stupid http://www.hardrockchick.com/2007/10/25/the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust/comment-page-1/#comment-336 not stupid Thu, 01 Nov 2007 21:54:04 +0000 http://www.hardrockchick.com/2007/10/25/the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust/#comment-336 Fuck me you've haven't missed the point at all have you. The fact that as opposed to being a bowie rip off its actually an attempt to do for black music what bowie did for pop at the time, attempting to drag it out of a self inflicted cliche ridden mire of uncreative, unintelligible sound bites. You probably shouldn't by it cause there's not a single song that you'd understand. For any one else with an ounce of appreciation for creative fresh talent, Saul is one of the only artists out there who ain't afraid to criticise his own community and of course the rest of us sorry assholes just cause he might not get on mtv. He is a poet. He is an artist. You ain't heard nothing like it. Fuck me you’ve haven’t missed the point at all have you. The fact that as opposed to being a bowie rip off its actually an attempt to do for black music what bowie did for pop at the time, attempting to drag it out of a self inflicted cliche ridden mire of uncreative, unintelligible sound bites. You probably shouldn’t by it cause there’s not a single song that you’d understand. For any one else with an ounce of appreciation for creative fresh talent, Saul is one of the only artists out there who ain’t afraid to criticise his own community and of course the rest of us sorry assholes just cause he might not get on mtv. He is a poet. He is an artist. You ain’t heard nothing like it.

]]> By: hardrockchick http://www.hardrockchick.com/2007/10/25/the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust/comment-page-1/#comment-332 hardrockchick Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:55:11 +0000 http://www.hardrockchick.com/2007/10/25/the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust/#comment-332 Yes...I get the Bowie reference. I don't think that means that the album will be a Bowie ripoff...ever listened to any of his music before??? Yes…I get the Bowie reference. I don’t think that means that the album will be a Bowie ripoff…ever listened to any of his music before???

]]> By: me http://www.hardrockchick.com/2007/10/25/the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust/comment-page-1/#comment-331 me Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:13:32 +0000 http://www.hardrockchick.com/2007/10/25/the-inevitable-rise-and-liberation-of-niggy-tardust/#comment-331 if the title reveals anything? its a total bowie ripoff -- not clever or "revelatory". if the title reveals anything? its a total bowie ripoff — not clever or “revelatory”.

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